Title: Ranger
Post by: mongolian on October 30, 2008, 08:29:45 PM
Post by: mongolian on October 30, 2008, 08:29:45 PM
Overpowerful for $200. Let me say, I really appreciate having a unit move for free and want to see more units that move for free. But moving & attacking for free for 3 spaces is way way too much.
Recommended Changes:
(A) $250 unit (currently $200)
(B) Can only attack 2x per turn. Can move 3x.
© Can only move 2x per turn, but attack 3x?
(D) Needs to be 2-3 to deploy.
Title: Ranger
Post by: Nazoric on October 30, 2008, 09:00:31 PM
Post by: Nazoric on October 30, 2008, 09:00:31 PM
I haven't tried out the ranger since the changes. I will be sure to test it out a little and let you know what I think.
Title: Ranger
Post by: mongolian on November 03, 2008, 02:43:26 PM
Post by: mongolian on November 03, 2008, 02:43:26 PM
Still waiting for more feedback here.
I have to say that the Ranger is such a huge core unit in every deck cause it moves/attacks for 3 without taking up actions. Perhaps the proper thing would be to move it's attack -1 or defense -1. Despite I enjoy thoroughly playing it and still think its over powerful, Zatikon needs more FREE action units... just 1-2 more would be nice. Heck, it's own category type of units would be even killer. Especially a $50 free unit would be nice..like the scout used to be.
Why not make a distant cousin of the old scout, where it moves for free doesn't unsommon and all it does is poison units?
I have to say that the Ranger is such a huge core unit in every deck cause it moves/attacks for 3 without taking up actions. Perhaps the proper thing would be to move it's attack -1 or defense -1. Despite I enjoy thoroughly playing it and still think its over powerful, Zatikon needs more FREE action units... just 1-2 more would be nice. Heck, it's own category type of units would be even killer. Especially a $50 free unit would be nice..like the scout used to be.
Why not make a distant cousin of the old scout, where it moves for free doesn't unsommon and all it does is poison units?
Title: Ranger
Post by: garcia1000 on November 03, 2008, 02:53:03 PM
Post by: garcia1000 on November 03, 2008, 02:53:03 PM
I think Ranger is ok now. It already got a nerf from 5HP to 4HP. The problem is that some other 200 gold units are too weak (warrior, templar, knight), not that ranger is too strong.
Title: Ranger
Post by: Chronic Logic - Josiah on November 03, 2008, 05:47:36 PM
Post by: Chronic Logic - Josiah on November 03, 2008, 05:47:36 PM
Ranger only has 3 power for his ranged attacks. I have not seen a problem with him yet, been testing him. The problem with free moving/attacking units is that you can stack them up with no commander units which in effect makes them cheaper. This is not a major concern with a 200 point unit, but with a 50 point unit it is a major concern as we saw with the old Scout.
Title: Ranger
Post by: mongolian on November 03, 2008, 10:24:29 PM
Post by: mongolian on November 03, 2008, 10:24:29 PM
I'M NOT INTERESTED IN CHANGING THE CURRENT SCOUT, FYI AS I LOVE IT, BUT I WANT TO SEE A NEW $50 FREE MOVING UNIT.
The old scout was completely broken:
-----------------------------------
- 0 to deploy
- 0 to move 3 actions
- went back to hand to make it so difficult to protect
For $50, a free movement unit could be a lot of cool things:
-----------------------------------------
- Could cost 2 to deploy, but then 0 actions.
- Could cost 0 to deploy, but only have 2 actions.
- Could cost 0 to deploy & 0 for 3 actions, but can only attack once. (does not go back to hand, power3-4)
- Could cost 0 to deploy & 0 for 3 actions/attacks, but can only poison units (no normal attack , no going back to hand) has 1-2 hp.
Basically, the idea of a $50 FREE unit should be that it's easy as pie to kill but moves a lot and may/may not even due that much..like can only poison if within 2 range.
The old scout was completely broken:
-----------------------------------
- 0 to deploy
- 0 to move 3 actions
- went back to hand to make it so difficult to protect
For $50, a free movement unit could be a lot of cool things:
-----------------------------------------
- Could cost 2 to deploy, but then 0 actions.
- Could cost 0 to deploy, but only have 2 actions.
- Could cost 0 to deploy & 0 for 3 actions, but can only attack once. (does not go back to hand, power3-4)
- Could cost 0 to deploy & 0 for 3 actions/attacks, but can only poison units (no normal attack , no going back to hand) has 1-2 hp.
Basically, the idea of a $50 FREE unit should be that it's easy as pie to kill but moves a lot and may/may not even due that much..like can only poison if within 2 range.
Title: Ranger
Post by: Nazoric on November 04, 2008, 03:18:53 AM
Post by: Nazoric on November 04, 2008, 03:18:53 AM
If you want to post a suggestion for a new unit, you might get better publicity if you put it in it's own topic mongolian. 
As a note, if you like free movement, try adding a sergeant to your army for now.
As a note, if you like free movement, try adding a sergeant to your army for now.
Title: Ranger
Post by: mongolian on November 04, 2008, 05:14:37 PM
Post by: mongolian on November 04, 2008, 05:14:37 PM
hehe..totally forgot about serg. I will be a pay-to-play member soon as rating/ranking is revised